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South suburbs take a look at sharing firefighting services

Neighboring communities consider money-saving options

Oct. 19, 2011 | 12 comments

Several southern Milwaukee County communities want to see if they can save money by sharing some firefighting services and they are ready to fund a study to find out.

The governing bodies of Oak Creek, Franklin, Greenfield and Hales Corners each approved chipping in $1,500 for a study to be done by the Public Policy Forum, an independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit public policy research group.

The Greendale Village Board tabled the matter to clean up some language and was scheduled to consider the matter again this week.

The study actually costs $35,000, but the Greater Milwaukee Committee will help out and the PPF will apply part of a federal grant it received toward the cost, keeping it low for the potentially five communities.

Considering all options

The Public Policy Forum study of the potentially five communities would be wide-ranging, said Rob Henken, forum president. It will include such ideas as shared equipment purchases and dispatch to complete consolidation, maintaining local fire stations.

But Henken emphasized that the study isn't solely focused on combining fire departments into one entity, such as occurred in North Shore communities in the mid-1990s. "(The study) is not just about consolidation," he said.

While it's too early to say whether the North Shore Fire Department would be used as a model, Henken said, "We will look at the process the North Shore used."

But the North Shore model has a lot of support at the Greenfield mayor's office.

"North Shore is a good model, one that a lot of folks like and respect," said Greenfield Mayor Michael Neitzke. "They provide great service."

Even though Greenfield doesn't need to consolidate or even share services, participating in the study is a good idea, he said.

"If we can keep a high level of service or improve it with stability and hopefully reduce cost, that makes sense," he said.

Once the study gets going, it should take four to six months to complete, Henken said.

Not included

West Allis will not be part of the study because it is in a different emergency zone, as determined by the Milwaukee County Emergency Management office, said West Allis Mayor Dan Devine. West Allis shares its zone with Wauwatosa and West Milwaukee.

However, the city has been in on meetings on service sharing all along because West Allis' participation at the Intergovernmental Cooperation Council, where the current initiative began, he said.

And West Allis even explored sharing and potential consolidation with Wauwatosa when the fire chief there retired, Devine said.

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  1. As a retired volunteer firefighter, this makes perfect sence. Fire departments use mutual aid already to reduce equipment costs. Cobination of departments will nor reduce fire protection. Savings will come through reduction in admin costs, insurance, buying power, and other non critical expenses. Sooner the better.
  2. Multiple fire chiefs and staffs mean a waste of money the times can no longer support. And duplication of expensive equipment some of which is rarely used.
    Fire fighting is a professional and technical function that can be well conducted on broad administrative and logistical level with a tight consolidation of all resources.

    At the end of the day too many chiefs, et al, do not want to give up their titles and turf. They won't tell you that though. They will phrase their argument differently. And they are often able to sell it to enough political decision makers who are afraid to rock a boat. Time to rock the boat becaue most are leaking.

    Police work is on a personal level and keeping separate departments makes significant sense although their is room for argument and consolidation there too.

    Fire work is objective and technical. Nothing personal.
  3. While many aspects of county government could stand a lot of improvement, it seems to me that fire departments could be combined at the county level and provide better and more uniform service. At least it's worth discussing, I think.
  4. I grew up on a block in Franklin that was on the border of Hales Corners and Muskego. When we called 911 when our house started on fire on christmas morning, all three cities sent their fire department's ambulance. It was nice to have that much service, but Hales Corners arrived there first, and everyone else was sent home. Granted that was twenty years ago, but it was still a waste of money.
  5. One correction to Mike's post. Firefighters are rank and file they're not professionals. Remember that the firefighters refuse to walk in the labor day parade With the flow that honored the 911 firefighters and police because the float was built by a volunteer firefighter. That is unprofessional conduct.
  6. Politicians! One wonders whether Mayor Neitzke would think "participating in the study is a good idea," if he were paying the $1500 share for the study from his personal checking account?
  7. [quote=Fred_Keller]Politicians! One wonders whether Mayor Neitzke would think "participating in the study is a good idea," if he were paying the $1500 share for the study from his personal checking account?[/quote]

    I think Mayor Neitzke would say that he is paying for a portion of the $1,500 in his property taxes, and believes the expenditure by his City is worthwhile, if it ultimately results in stabilizing or enhancing services and stabilizing or reducing costs--which he and all of the other residents pay for. He would probably point out that the County is proposing cutting off paramedic funding (which supplements fire department budgets) to his City, Franklin, and Oak Creek in 2012. This results in a reduction of about $750,000 to those cities, and cannot be made up with tax increases. He would note that Hales Corners and Greendale do not have operating paramedic programs. He would say that collectively spending $7,500 among 5 communities for a study that costs substantially more, is financially wise. Finally, Mayor Neitzke would likely point out that he voluntarilly took non-paid furlough days like the rest of Greenfield's non-emergency personnel over the last two years because it was the right thing to do, and it is likely more than $1,500. Mayor Neitzke would welcome the opportunity to talk to Fred Keller personally, whether he lives in Greenfield or not.

    -Mayor Neitzke
  8. [quote=Mayor_Neitzke]Mayor Neitzke would welcome the opportunity to talk to Fred Keller personally, whether he lives in Greenfield or not.-Mayor Neitzke[/quote]

    Say Mayor Neitzke, I would bet that you could contact Fred Keller at The Franklin Independent Journal [url]http://www.franklinindependentjournal.com/[/url]

    That is if you [b]really[/b] wanted the oportunity to talk to him, but I am just guessing!
  9. [quote=MikeMcG]
    Police work is on a personal level and keeping separate departments makes significant sense although their is room for argument and consolidation there too.

    Fire work is objective and technical. Nothing personal.[/quote]


    Dealing with people during a medical crisis, or when they are having the worst day of their life (Car accident, House fire etc..) is Objective and Technical????
    So what's your definition of of Personal?

    Just asking, Nothing Personal.
  10. Mayor Neitzke:

    If that really was you responding to my comment; with all due respect, you’re a typical circle-talking politician. And living in Franklin makes me an expert on circle-talking politicians. The story credits you with saying that “Greenfield doesn't need to consolidate or even share services." Now you claim “… the expenditure by [the] City is worthwhile, if it ultimately results in stabilizing or enhancing services and stabilizing or reducing costs…”

    Which is it Mr. Mayor; “Greenfield doesn't need to consolidate or even share services,” or are Greenfield’s services unstable and too costly?

    I commend you for taking non-paid furlough days along with Greenfield's non-emergency personnel over the last two years, and I’m all for reducing taxes and government spending. You are absolutely correct when you say you are paying for a portion of the $1,500 in your property taxes. But, you fail to point out that by moving forward with this estimated $35,000 study, you and your fellow- politicians are also spending federal tax dollars through the federal grant which—yes— you, me, and your constituents paid a portion of. Politicians like you and the elected officials in these other four communities need to understand that federal grants do not equate to “free money.”

    I noticed that like a true politician, you couldn’t resist placing blame somewhere else (Milwaukee County) for your city’s woes due to the county's proposed spending cut for paramedic funding. Again, you, me and your constituents pay County taxes, as well.

    I also agree with you that the county’s proposed $750,000 funding cut (If that’s an accurate number) to these five communities cannot be made up with tax increases. It sounds to me like these five communities will have to tighten their belts, just like you , me and your constituents.

    And one last thing; do you always write in the third person? It's kind of creepy.

    Thanks for the plug “Franklin Taxpayer.”
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